no one serious would argue that now, five years is a very, very long time in this environment. >> rose: will they in the next five years be able to move this from the sort of exporting economy model to a domestic demand model? >> i mean, the distinction between reformers and conservatives is a bit of an artifice, everyone that is meaningful in china that runs the country knows that they have to shift and trance form the economy, but the fact that someone is in favor of reform does not mean they are in favor of free market reform. so clearly there is going to be a lot of interest in redistributing wealth and whether or not they can move on that is an open question. but trying to ensure that folks, more people get into the middle classes, there is less dissent and less dissatisfaction with their lot in life as growth in china slows. >> rose: can the communist party as it exists today in its closed way, how long does it have? >> i have an answer for that. as i think i have discussed with you before, charlie, one of the main impressions to me of living in china opposite things are always t